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		<title>By: aamir shah</title>
		<link>http://imranhkhan.com/2009/11/17/saga-of-paf-in-east-pakistan-1971/comment-page-1/#comment-350</link>
		<dc:creator>aamir shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Sep 2010 06:09:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Air Marshal Sahib,
With lot of and respect and reverence very very proud of the example you set for generations to come. I was a school boy while the tragedy of BD unfolded, watched my uncles and cousins Killed and captured in the War. During my visit to Dacca in 1997 I heard my Begali friends tell me, &quot;We did not want this to happen and not this way&quot;. I hung my head in shame and apologized for the sins of our elders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Air Marshal Sahib,<br />
With lot of and respect and reverence very very proud of the example you set for generations to come. I was a school boy while the tragedy of BD unfolded, watched my uncles and cousins Killed and captured in the War. During my visit to Dacca in 1997 I heard my Begali friends tell me, &#8220;We did not want this to happen and not this way&#8221;. I hung my head in shame and apologized for the sins of our elders.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My apologies for getting the rank wrong in the post above.. it should be Air marshal and not air commodore</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies for getting the rank wrong in the post above.. it should be Air marshal and not air commodore</p>
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		<title>By: Jagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 16:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a fantastic page and a wonderful resource for my research. my thanks to all those who participated in this discussion and special thanks to Air Cdre Inam for the initial article and for answering many of the queries posted on this page.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a fantastic page and a wonderful resource for my research. my thanks to all those who participated in this discussion and special thanks to Air Cdre Inam for the initial article and for answering many of the queries posted on this page.</p>
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		<title>By: Jagan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:56:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Runway was repaired by an Indian Army Engineering Team, along with   Pakistani Army Engineering equipment and a whole lot of local labour. obviously it was easier for them to do as the war was over, there was local support and no continuous air raids on the runway every day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Runway was repaired by an Indian Army Engineering Team, along with   Pakistani Army Engineering equipment and a whole lot of local labour. obviously it was easier for them to do as the war was over, there was local support and no continuous air raids on the runway every day.</p>
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		<title>By: inam h khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>inam h khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 07:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AARB Haseeb. Thanks for your kind remarks. You did not mention name of your father,I may be knowing him.Anyway convey him my regards. Had I been in his shoes I would have most likely behaved the same way. I knew and admired many Bengali officers, my course mate was Flt Lt Bhuiyan who in 1951 circa unfortunately got disorientated flying in clouds from Drigh Road to Peshawer in a formation of four led by Sqn Cdr Sqn Ldr A Rahim Khan, later CinC PAF. But my favourite was my ex Flight Commander in 16th Squadron, late AVM M G Tawab tiger of a man and a pilot. Only fault, for which there might be an unknown reason, he ditched his  Mymensingh wife for Hannah a German Lady. Allah knows best.

Apart from other documented mistakes for creation of BD, our leaders failed to to appreciate the importance of intrinsic nationalism, importance of culture, language, traditions, customs etc, and relied on religion Islam alone for integrity of State, which has, apart from Faraiz, has many differences in different countries and is not monolithic in practice during daily life.    

Anyway my best wishes now are for BD to prosper in every way, just as their cricket team is improving every day in every way. Regards. Inam</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AARB Haseeb. Thanks for your kind remarks. You did not mention name of your father,I may be knowing him.Anyway convey him my regards. Had I been in his shoes I would have most likely behaved the same way. I knew and admired many Bengali officers, my course mate was Flt Lt Bhuiyan who in 1951 circa unfortunately got disorientated flying in clouds from Drigh Road to Peshawer in a formation of four led by Sqn Cdr Sqn Ldr A Rahim Khan, later CinC PAF. But my favourite was my ex Flight Commander in 16th Squadron, late AVM M G Tawab tiger of a man and a pilot. Only fault, for which there might be an unknown reason, he ditched his  Mymensingh wife for Hannah a German Lady. Allah knows best.</p>
<p>Apart from other documented mistakes for creation of BD, our leaders failed to to appreciate the importance of intrinsic nationalism, importance of culture, language, traditions, customs etc, and relied on religion Islam alone for integrity of State, which has, apart from Faraiz, has many differences in different countries and is not monolithic in practice during daily life.    </p>
<p>Anyway my best wishes now are for BD to prosper in every way, just as their cricket team is improving every day in every way. Regards. Inam</p>
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		<title>By: Haseeb Alam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haseeb Alam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:25:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Air Marshal Sahib, 

Asalaam Aleikum Sir. It was extreamly interesting to know about what was happening in and around East Pakistan, from a PAF Top Brass officer&#039;s point of view.

Sir, This may come to you as a shock, I was actaully not even born in 71, and my father was one of the 1st serving Bengali PAF Pilots who escaped from West Pakistan and took part in forming the Mukti Bahini Airforce. He was flying the Otter for the Mukti Bahini Airforce at that time. 

Apart from the War, I have heard my father cherish his days in West Pakistan PAF and how wonderful his days were there. 

Just wanted to say, thank you for sharing this story...I can relate your political observations and I somewhat agree to the mistakes made at that point of time. 

Wishing you the very best...

Haseeb</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Air Marshal Sahib, </p>
<p>Asalaam Aleikum Sir. It was extreamly interesting to know about what was happening in and around East Pakistan, from a PAF Top Brass officer&#8217;s point of view.</p>
<p>Sir, This may come to you as a shock, I was actaully not even born in 71, and my father was one of the 1st serving Bengali PAF Pilots who escaped from West Pakistan and took part in forming the Mukti Bahini Airforce. He was flying the Otter for the Mukti Bahini Airforce at that time. </p>
<p>Apart from the War, I have heard my father cherish his days in West Pakistan PAF and how wonderful his days were there. </p>
<p>Just wanted to say, thank you for sharing this story&#8230;I can relate your political observations and I somewhat agree to the mistakes made at that point of time. </p>
<p>Wishing you the very best&#8230;</p>
<p>Haseeb</p>
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		<title>By: Asad Sagheer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asad Sagheer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Apr 2010 13:23:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asalaam Aleikum, Air Marshal Sahib,

Thank you for posting this article, it is very insightful and I hope brings some long sought recognition to the PAF EP contingent.  Although I was only 5 years old at the time, and aside from a few glimpses of memory, do not recall much; our family was in the cantonment as my father, (late) Maj. Khalid Sagheer, was serving with 4th Sqdn, flying Alouette&#039;s with Army Aviation.  We were lucky enough to have gotten out on the last PIA casualty evac. towards the end of Nov. ’71.

My father did tell me that there were a couple of times that PAF F86&#039;s saved him and Maj. Tierney (flying Mi-8) while on sorties to drop off commando&#039;s on some bridge; had it not been for the F-86’s diving on the hidden heavy cal. guns, the unarmed helicopters would not have survived the sorties.  

If you’ll recall, on the morning of the surrender after the AVN contingent escaped to Burma, there was 1 Alouette that wouldn’t start, and a 2nd Alouette held back for Gen. Niazi&#039;s use (pilot was late Maj. Tauhid-ul Haq as he was a bachelor); after successful repairs were carried out, my father later piloted that aircraft out of EP in broad daylight just before the surrender ceremony, and Maj. Tauhid piloted the 2nd helicopter safely as well to Burma.  

My father told me you must have known the incoming Indian helicopters were Alouettes, otherwise their escape and ability to have been &quot;lost&quot; amongst the Indian aircraft would not have been possible?

Also, I was wondering what your opinion is of the Army Aviation&#039;s 4th  Sqdn&#039;s efforts during this time and how closely PAF and Army Aviation coordinated during this time.  

Sincerely, Asad</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asalaam Aleikum, Air Marshal Sahib,</p>
<p>Thank you for posting this article, it is very insightful and I hope brings some long sought recognition to the PAF EP contingent.  Although I was only 5 years old at the time, and aside from a few glimpses of memory, do not recall much; our family was in the cantonment as my father, (late) Maj. Khalid Sagheer, was serving with 4th Sqdn, flying Alouette&#8217;s with Army Aviation.  We were lucky enough to have gotten out on the last PIA casualty evac. towards the end of Nov. ’71.</p>
<p>My father did tell me that there were a couple of times that PAF F86&#8217;s saved him and Maj. Tierney (flying Mi-8) while on sorties to drop off commando&#8217;s on some bridge; had it not been for the F-86’s diving on the hidden heavy cal. guns, the unarmed helicopters would not have survived the sorties.  </p>
<p>If you’ll recall, on the morning of the surrender after the AVN contingent escaped to Burma, there was 1 Alouette that wouldn’t start, and a 2nd Alouette held back for Gen. Niazi&#8217;s use (pilot was late Maj. Tauhid-ul Haq as he was a bachelor); after successful repairs were carried out, my father later piloted that aircraft out of EP in broad daylight just before the surrender ceremony, and Maj. Tauhid piloted the 2nd helicopter safely as well to Burma.  </p>
<p>My father told me you must have known the incoming Indian helicopters were Alouettes, otherwise their escape and ability to have been &#8220;lost&#8221; amongst the Indian aircraft would not have been possible?</p>
<p>Also, I was wondering what your opinion is of the Army Aviation&#8217;s 4th  Sqdn&#8217;s efforts during this time and how closely PAF and Army Aviation coordinated during this time.  </p>
<p>Sincerely, Asad</p>
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		<title>By: AM (R) Inam H. Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>AM (R) Inam H. Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Feb 2010 14:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed  landing strip for emergency use can be made of PSP (Perforated Steel Plates) if level hard surface could b prepared, PSP sheets are in  good condition without any nicks and dents and there is uninterrupted time available to lay them. At Dacca runway was pitted with craters  having volcano  shaped lips protruding upwards. Thus requiring first craters to be filled with sand and then cutting lips and leveling the ground. PSP available was of WW 2 left over vintage. On top of it there  was not long enough time gap between raids for the job even if we had all the other requisites

Only one RAF C-130 specially equipped for STOL (short take of landing) operations, that is fitted with bank of short firing rockets on both the wings, etc,  did land and take off  in about 1,500 feet of clear patch of runway between craters (needed no taxi track as would have been required for our fighter to and fro strip from dispersed pens). C-130 being light without load landed with full brakes  and reverse thrust. Take off after loading was a sort of catapult employing RATO (Rocket Assisted Take Off). Bank on each wing had I think 6 to 8 rocket tubes firing a short burst providing enough thrust to get aircraft  airborne.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed  landing strip for emergency use can be made of PSP (Perforated Steel Plates) if level hard surface could b prepared, PSP sheets are in  good condition without any nicks and dents and there is uninterrupted time available to lay them. At Dacca runway was pitted with craters  having volcano  shaped lips protruding upwards. Thus requiring first craters to be filled with sand and then cutting lips and leveling the ground. PSP available was of WW 2 left over vintage. On top of it there  was not long enough time gap between raids for the job even if we had all the other requisites</p>
<p>Only one RAF C-130 specially equipped for STOL (short take of landing) operations, that is fitted with bank of short firing rockets on both the wings, etc,  did land and take off  in about 1,500 feet of clear patch of runway between craters (needed no taxi track as would have been required for our fighter to and fro strip from dispersed pens). C-130 being light without load landed with full brakes  and reverse thrust. Take off after loading was a sort of catapult employing RATO (Rocket Assisted Take Off). Bank on each wing had I think 6 to 8 rocket tubes firing a short burst providing enough thrust to get aircraft  airborne.</p>
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		<title>By: Sajid Khan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sajid Khan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:47:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you - three Shams???? what an unearthly coincidence.  I guess the confusion as to who did what on the 4th of December still remains.  A shame.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you &#8211; three Shams???? what an unearthly coincidence.  I guess the confusion as to who did what on the 4th of December still remains.  A shame.</p>
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		<title>By: shah</title>
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		<dc:creator>shah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 12:38:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding PSP runways not fit for F-86s, we must go back to Korean War because Korean war is the one where F-86s were extensively used. There at Taegu (K-2) airbase, F-86s operated from PSP runways and even did &quot;formation takeoffs&quot; from PSP runways. Other fighters of that era like F-84 and F-80 also used PSP runways. Consult the following link as one reference, 

http://sabre-pilots.org/classics/v42airground.htm

There is also one famous photo of Sajad Haider posing alongside an F-86 while F-86 is parked on PSP.

Other thing is that you did not mention an important event of 12 December 1971, when three Royal Air Force C-130 planes landed on Dacca runway and evacuated some 400 Britons and Americans. 

Here again the C-130 needs less runway than F-86, but it surely means that a good length of runway was usable and we needed just a thousand feet of PSP to add to the usable runway. Once PSP added and CAP re-established, it would have perhaps bought some time for ground troops or UN intervention and would have certainly prevent Indian Paratroopers from landing in Dacca.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding PSP runways not fit for F-86s, we must go back to Korean War because Korean war is the one where F-86s were extensively used. There at Taegu (K-2) airbase, F-86s operated from PSP runways and even did &#8220;formation takeoffs&#8221; from PSP runways. Other fighters of that era like F-84 and F-80 also used PSP runways. Consult the following link as one reference, </p>
<p><a href="http://sabre-pilots.org/classics/v42airground.htm" rel="nofollow">http://sabre-pilots.org/classics/v42airground.htm</a></p>
<p>There is also one famous photo of Sajad Haider posing alongside an F-86 while F-86 is parked on PSP.</p>
<p>Other thing is that you did not mention an important event of 12 December 1971, when three Royal Air Force C-130 planes landed on Dacca runway and evacuated some 400 Britons and Americans. </p>
<p>Here again the C-130 needs less runway than F-86, but it surely means that a good length of runway was usable and we needed just a thousand feet of PSP to add to the usable runway. Once PSP added and CAP re-established, it would have perhaps bought some time for ground troops or UN intervention and would have certainly prevent Indian Paratroopers from landing in Dacca.</p>
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